Understanding the Other
Vanessa emphasizes the importance of understanding the experiences that drive people to extreme actions, such as storming the Capitol. Mark reflects on the concept of shadow work, suggesting that our reluctance to confront the darker aspects of ourselves prevents us from empathizing with others. Both highlight the necessity of curiosity and connection in a time of division, advocating for a deeper exploration of the human experience.In this clip
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#138: Vanessa Bennett and Dené Logan - Cheaper Than Therapy
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